My lungs are, uhmm. I try to stay away from combusting things. I can't even be in the same building with a space heater. Good info to consider. Thanks for letting us know, the reason i'm into vaporizers is definitely partly for lung health. Think i'll keep with my electric vape and not get into those butane things. Good to hear you're getting better. Something like the lotus or vapcap still is fine even for the most paranoid ent. The flame on those vapes never enters the vapor path at all. I want a sticky brick so bad BUT I was just thinking if using a sticky brick could mean butane inhalation which can't be good thing.
I use a dynavap daily but I use an Induction heater. Thanks for the info I think my mind is made up. What about the high number of people that combust their cannabis through pipes and bongs using Bic and Cricket lighters? They are using butane also, and most likely burning significantly less of the butane away with such a "cold" flame? Why is there not significantly more people coming forward with the same type of complications?
They aren't using anywhere near the same amounts of butane nor is it being directly inhaled anywhere near as much.
A lighter typically touches the bud for less than a second while vape users have to constantly inhale from a torch for much longer. That torch puts out lots more butane too. Honestly I'm surprised you guys never knew about this. It's the reason I never wanted a sticky brick in the first place, much less one of those ceramic disks you put into hand pipes to smoke concentrates by torch lighter inhaling.
Butane isn't meant to be inhaled like this, especially not for something that is done often. The fuck are you on about? The link between combustion and lung damage has proven for years. This is literally the reason vapes exist.
If smoking weed was healthy af, I'd still be hitting my bong like a college student but there's a reason that shit is physically painful and it's not just because the air is hot. Is butane literally the cause? Obviously no, but it's kinda difficult to establish that butane is causing direct damage to your lungs when you're simultaneously blasting them with carcinogens I mean it is but it's also not.
You aren't inhaling directly from the lighter but you would absolutely breathe in butane vapors that are lingering in your room. The real question is how much butane inhalation is required to cause damage. Super dumbass question: I know this sub is for vaping, but would you be inhaling butane if you use a torch to heat up a tradition nail on a dab rig?
What about lighting a joint with a lighter? You probably wouldn't be inhaling it using a torch on a dab rig unless you were heating while inhaling. A few other people have mentioned using a lighter to light a joint or a bowl, I think that's a really good point that illustrates how specious the causality here is. Something I learned from ecig vaping. I was just thinking about you and this yesterday man, was gonna go back through my notifs and ask you for an update.
If you should try it again at some point, definitely upgrade the torch and butane! Nothing under 11x. Edit: looked and saw you already answered: Kix. I acknowledge it says 5x refined but what I would say in defense of stickybrick community: it's not a brand I hear as a recommendation. I recently picked up the junior again after running an eq at too high a temp. Felt much smoother. In your linked comment, you mention NO2.
I couldn't find anything on the web about torch lighters producing NO2 as a byproduct alongside the usual CO2 and H2O reaction. Could you send some links?
This post certainly raises concern for me as I enjoy using my Flip Brick every day. I haven't experienced any negative symptoms from using my Brick, as far as I can tell. Did you ever have lasting symptoms or side-effects from using your Brick? Did the pneumonia come from your usage of the vape, or was it unrelated? Is it possible that you used your Brick while your lungs were damaged, which resulted in the GGOs? And when you say that after a few months they 'cleared up', do you mean that your lungs have completely repaired themselves from that seasoned-smoker-esque damage?
When you would hit your butane vape, did you taste any butane, or anything 'off'? I use Colibri and I've never tasted anything besides the Cherry wood from my Brick or the weed itself. Even if the combustion of butane itself results in CO2 and H2O, some secondary reactions can happen in the combustion zone of the flame. At these high temp, nitrogen and oxygen, or already present oxydes like NO can react together and form NOx. This is the point most people are ignoring.
We live in a nitrogen atmosphere, so exaust fumes of a flame are rich of NOx, unless you take a lot of effort in your gasturbine design If so, this can be applied to combusted butane from a torch? This is a bit of a throwaway, but it does mention it. No lasting symptoms from using my bricks, that I noticed at least. The pneumonia was unrelated, I believe it was a flu that progressed into pneumonia. Maybe the combination of both caused the odd presentation? No trace of GGOs.
There is complete and incomplete combustion of hydrocarbons like butane. The issue is store bought butane and lighter butane has mercaptains in it for smell of non combusted gas when combusted these chemicals can turn into many things you do not want to smoke. Also some have bittering agents to prevent butane inhalation abuse. Also most of the butane used in a lighter is not combusted but just wasted into the air. I have personally refined canned butane from many respectible brands and all have a clear looking liquid left that turns black when wiped with a paper towel.
We call this machine oil from the inside can liner. I've been using butane vapes for almost a decade with the old Vapor Bros and don't have any issues, sounds like a bunch of bullshit. I just posted this to another person above, but I feel it might get overlooked, and since it's in agreement with what you're saying as well, I'm going to post it here too:. The doctors are just making assumptions and have no physical evidence or proof that this situation was caused by butane inhalation And to use the method of stopping using the brick for the following month or whatever, while using other vapes doesn't prove anything even more so, because obviously, with any common sense or logic, with time, you heal from pneumonia and sicknesses This doctor's diagnosis is a fucking joke This is only going to cause unwarranted panic and fear when there's absolutely no proof or evidence behind these claims Or both.
You NEED to be sure to use a very refined butane with no additives, and also a very good touch to be sure it burns efficiently. Any butane taste should be an immediate red flag. Yeah, I don't think I've seen anyone on Fuck Combination ever have a medical issue from butane with further proof of any damages. As per usual it's just heresy and people get all super scared about that whacky butane.
Bic lighters are far more dangerous than torches. And the gas in them is shit. If you were a doctor I bet those stoners would complain to you. Bottom line, switch to vaping lol. I meant from issues regarding inhaling the gas used for combustion.
In this case, butane. Bic and similar lighters leave a lot more gas behind than even the worst torches. Obviously there are respiratory complications linked to smoking.
Smoke inhalation of any kind is never good lol. I'd argue a big reason people turn to vaping is harm reduction, so I don't think its unfair for people to be extra cautious about things like this. Definitely not. I agree, fear mongering is bad too.
I hope more people can get comfortable admitting the "there's no real conclusive evidence" part. All we have are a bunch of anecdotes. I'd like to hear the experiences of subreddits dedicated to the stickybrick and other direct butane vapes. Electronic vaporizers are much more discreet, which is especially important when you vape outside. Electronic models are often mistaken for e-cigarettes and they allow for a higher level of discreteness.
Electronic temperature stabilization also means that the vaping session is more even and predictable. This is very important when you want to enjoy the herbs with some friends who have never used a vaporizer before. With a butane vaporizer, the temperature is controlled manually, and it depends on how much practice the user has. As a result, butane vaporizers are not as easy to use as the electronic ones and users normally have to practice for a while before they master the technique of heating and inhaling.
Also, the high temperature of vaporization in butane vaporizers might result in the production of vapor that is not very gentle to your throat. Portable , Vaporizers. Another disadvantage of electronic models is also the fact that they are less reliable, and you have to replace the battery that is covered with the manufacturer warranty for a maximum period of one month. This means that after a few years you have to get a new battery for your vaporizer. If you also take into consideration that electronic vaporizers break much easier than their butane counterparts, yet their prices are higher, you can come to a conclusion that electronic vaporizers are not such a great value for money.
However, this is the price you pay for the precise temperature control. The latter group will benefit more from choosing an electronic device that allows for a precise, digital temperature control.
Electronic vaporizers are also easier to use so if you focus on the results of the inhalation, not on the process itself, you should pick an electronic vaporizer. Never stop experimenting; follow these instructions, pack whatever you like in the oven, and give it a go.
Do not press the ground weed in the oven; pack it loosely to allow airflow. You can vaporize hash in a variety of styles. Break down the hash in small bits like you would to roll a joint, and pack the oven with it without pressing. Alternatively, you can mix the hash with some herbs and pack the oven with it.
It's also a good idea to use vape wool for vaping both hash and wax or concentrates. Concentrates are sticky and delicious. You can totally use them in a butane vaporizer; as a matter of fact, some butane vaporizers come with special inserts and capsule for use with concentrates.
Alternatively, you can use a little ball of organic cotton to place your drop of oil without causing major stickiness in your vaporizer, or do a little weed and oil sandwich. Bongs and butane vaporizers are a match made in heaven. This is why some of the biggest butane vaporizer companies have a special line of devices designed to be used with waterpipes, such as the DynaVap.
Water conditions and humidifies the harsh, warm vapour from the vaporizer, allowing you to achieve massive clouds although some vaporizers make an excellent job at cooling down the vapour without the need for water. Your lungs will be thankful. If your device does not fit natively in a bong, use an adapter.
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